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Do a test, drive any car solo, then have 2 passengers get in the back seat, roughly 200lbs. You'll realize that 200lbs does make a difference in feel, you can definitely feel it in braking and acceleration, even at low speeds. I don't doubt the 228 is probably more agile and responsive due to the lighter front end, although I went with the M235, that's one of the points that was swaying me towards the 228. |
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01-27-2015, 05:47 AM | #178 |
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It's not only the 200 pound weight difference but also the weight distribution. The four cylinder is behind the front axel, whereas the six protrudes slightly forward. The four accordingly has a smaller polar moment of inertia and is less prone to understeer.
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01-27-2015, 07:25 AM | #179 |
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Yep, try 2 up on a motorcycle and you'll really notice the diff in accel and braking. It's exaggerated, but the same principle.
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01-27-2015, 07:30 AM | #180 |
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I was trying to keep it simple, given the audience.
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01-27-2015, 08:11 AM | #181 | |
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1) Yes, it's noticeable. But, for every advantage, there is a "cost", and that doesn't imply limitation to financial costs. The difference in power you notice is of far lower priority to some others than it is to you given the 228i capability. The resulting "cost" of an also-noticeable change in chassis dynamics isn't worth the trade-off. 2) Your assertion of the lack of noticeable difference in chassis dynamics is simply inaccurate. As others have pointed out quite well, the weight amount and placement are a significant change and alter the weight distribution of the vehicle. The engineers at my prior car company (not BMW) would go to great lengths to reduce weight by amounts far less than 200lbs, especially over the front axle. You find more engine power noticeable and more important...that's fine. There is a car for you! Others feel the same about steering and chassis dynamics. Cornering "so hard" is not the issue. We appreciate finesse and balance as much as you appreciate more power. Neither makes one car the "best". You might as well argue the "best" choices at Baskin-Robbins. More is not better....it is just more. 3) The 235 brings along extra purchase price and fuel usage. Those are just facts. The fuel is not simply economic, but represents a particular waste if the supposed offsetting benefit is of no importance to the driver. Conceptually, some of us who have worked to the point of being able to buy whatever we want also learned we didn't get there by being casual about wasting resources. It's a personal philosophy to target what I need, what I want, and not waste resources to pursue what is neither. 228i hit my sweet spot after finding the 4 Series and M235i did not. Also, I wouldn't rely on the current oil glut as being long-term...a mere temporary OPEC tactic. An additional part of the "waste" idea is having to take an engine of no great additional value to us just to get the associated equipment you called out as standard vs. optional. This is just a matter of product planning. It seems more creative than a flaw to configure a comparably equipped car with the equipment, from interior to chassis, one desires but without having to spend for additional cylinders which are not of personal value. I'll add a 4). It may go along with the same mindset which results in making subjective statements of superiority, but it would be wrong to conclude any of the earlier comments have the power to offend or make anyone "cry". In reality, we are strangers and what each other thinks of our cars could not be of less importance. We are here to exchange ideas and information and a shared enthusiasm for BMW. But, we don't need to defend a lifeless material object from a stranger's negative comments! However, and possibly moreso for those who are/have been parents, teachers, or (horrors) both...we feel compelled to react to overtly flawed thinking. No one here would ever disagree with a statement such as "For me, the M235 is the best choice because I love the extra power over the 228i". But, the earlier postings of supposed objective "best" are simply incorrect because one cannot rationally link objective superiority to a subjective attribute, such as the pleasure for some people of just going faster. And, no, the intention of simply offering a personal opinion is not implied, especially when the writing is so to the contrary. We only know what you write, not what you are thinking. Last edited by Sportstick; 01-27-2015 at 08:27 AM.. |
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tl;dr: We all have excellent cars that meet our needs and driving styles. |
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01-27-2015, 08:27 AM | #183 |
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228's 200-pound weight advantage is at least partly attributable to fewer standard features. a no-option, no moonroof 235i is prob a lot closer. i need to weigh mine.
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01-27-2015, 08:52 AM | #184 | |
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The problem is BMW USA doesn't let you get a low option m235. All the bloatware is mandatory except for sunroof. Power seats mandatory. I drive mandatory, power motorized folding mirrors, mandatory. Electromagnetic suspension mandatory in USA. |
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01-27-2015, 08:56 AM | #185 |
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One important factor is that F22 has small gas tank and the extra MPG's on 228i is one noticeable advantage.
I still feel gas tank is too small even for N20 engine as I feel driving range is not adequate. |
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01-27-2015, 09:54 AM | #187 |
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Fuel tank capacity is 52 litres.
228i auto has advertised fuel economy (per bmw.ca) of 10 L/100km city and 6.5 L/100km highway, so advertised range is 520 km city/800 km highway. M235i auto advertised economy is 11.5/7.6 so range would be 452/652 (km). Literally, YMMV. For instance, my M235i manual is rated at 11.9 L/100 km city. For the past 3 months, almost exclusively cold-weather city driving, I'm getting 9.9 L/100 km.
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01-27-2015, 12:14 PM | #188 | |
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My net on this subject (having driven both, the 228i I drove had the track package) The 228i is a more nimble car and is a blast to drive. The M235i is still a nimble car, but not like the 228i. Then there's the mill in the M325i, this in my mind, makes up for the slightly less nimble feeling. The M235i's mill could put a smile on a coma victims face. I bought the M235i. On a track with a decent driver the M235i will win, but they are closer then people think. |
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01-27-2015, 12:18 PM | #190 |
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+1 I thought the 52L was a bit odd and a small size, plenty of petrol receipts for expenses though!
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Yep, very pleased, especially for cold-weather mileage. > 90% city, though we have NO hills here (I suppose it cuts both ways). Using Shell V-Power 91 octane almost exclusively.
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01-27-2015, 08:26 PM | #195 |
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Hey!
We all got cars that suit our needs....LEt's Party! (doing my best Rodney Dangerfield on the golf course in Caddyshack imitation) EDIT: MODS, please sticky this at the top forever and for when the next prospective buyer comes asking which is "better" (not aiming this at you op!)
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I just got 8.4L/100km on an 80km highway journey driving mostly up a gradient, between 120-140 kph. I'm quite happy. It's only been almost two weeks of having the car too, so it should get much better.
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